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My Journey through AuDHD (Autistic + ADHD) Identification / Diagnosis

Exploring Neurodiversity Podcast – Episode 33

by Adina Levy

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In this episode, I’ll share my journey to identification as an Autistic ADHDer. I recently got an email from another speech therapist who is in the neuro questioning phase. And she asked me this “As I understand you were late diagnosed. I wanted to ask you about your experience getting diagnosed and what you feel have been the benefits and drawbacks of it” and I really, really thank you for this email.

And interestingly, I think within a day I got a message on Instagram from somebody else with a very similar question. So I thought it is probably high time for me to share a bit more about my journey through AuDHD identification and diagnosis here on the podcast, because the bits that I do share always get interesting. I had a long time of questioning before I decided I wanted to seek formal identification (a.k.a. diagnosis). Here’s how my journey went…

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Transcript:

Welcome to the Exploring Neurodiversity Podcast for adults who support Neurodivergent children. Whether you’re an allied health professional, medical professional, education professional or a parent of a Neurodivergent child, you are welcome here.

This podcast is recorded on the Aboriginal lands of the Gadigal and Bidjigal people. I acknowledge the traditional owners elders past and present, and I extend my acknowledgement to any Aboriginal first nations people listening in.

I’m Adina from Play. Learn. Chat. I’m an autistic ADHDer, a speech therapist, professional educator speaker, and I also support Neurodivergent Business owners in my other business, neurodivergent Business Coaching and Consulting.

I’m obsessed with creating a world when Neurodivergent people are understood, embraced, supported, and celebrated. A world where we Neurodivergent people can understand ourselves and thrive in a life aligned with our individual strengths, wants and needs.

On the Exploring Neurodiversity Podcast, you’ll get my perspectives and conversations with my Neurodivergent friends. All about how adults can best support Neurodivergent children in our lives.

I bring a Neurodiversity Affirming approach and indeed a human affirming approach to the support that we all provide for Neurodivergent kids in our lives.

Let’s dive in.

I recently got an email from another speech therapist who is in the neuro questioning phase. And she asked me this. As I understand you were late diagnosed. I wanted to ask you about your experience getting diagnosed and what you feel have been the benefits and drawbacks of it and I really, really thank you for this email.

And interestingly, almost on the same day, I think within a day I got a message, a. Instagram from somebody else with a very similar question. So I thought it is probably high time for me to share a bit more about my journey through AuDHD identification and diagnosis here on the podcast, because. The bits that I do share. . I. Always get interesting. Deep feedback from people. Who’ve heard me share about my journey. Often it’s people who are thinking about their own neurotype and trying to understand their own brain and how the struggles that they experience in the world and the joys potentially to. But often how the struggles that they experience fit into the world and how they think about their own experience within the world.

So I’ll share a little bit about my journey and also one of the themes that has come up, which is really, really heavily. Importantly on my mind at the moment, which is around collaboration.

Now the reason collaboration is on my mind a lot is because I am in the midst of working on my webinar. Collaborative connections, which is coming up in about one week, actually from the day, this comes out of the six days till the live webinar. And it is for any professional who supports Neurodivergent children. And it really. Comes from an important experience in my life are a series of important experiences.

So I’ll link all of this back together through my little story that I’ll be sharing today.

I’ll pop the link in the show notes for how you can get more info and registered to learn how to be a better collaborator for the Neurodivergent children that you support.

And I think you’ll hear throughout this episode, how I keep making these connections between my personal experiences and joining up what other people in the Neurodivergent community experience and share and talk about.. And blending that with what we know from good quality research is best practice as well.

So, let me take you back to maybe I was 18 finishing up school and I have this clear memory, which I can’t quite understand why or where it came from, but I remember telling a few people that. I want to work with children with autism. That’s what we said at the time. Now as a preference, we’ll say autistic children with identity first language. But back then I was saying, I want to work with. Children with autism. I didn’t really have a vision in my head of what that looked like, or I can’t even pin down exactly why, but hilariously, I didn’t know at the time that. You know how relevant and important it was to my own life as well.

Sometime in my teen years, I read a book called Born on a Blue Day, which has written by an autistic man. Daniel Tammet. And he’s, he absolutely fascinated me. He is a very fascinating human, so it’s really a wonderful book. In fact, I definitely want to reread it. It’s been half a lifetime.

And I remember that it really struck me how incredibly. Individual his mind was he was so himself.

He knew his strengths. He knew what was really, really. Unique and special about his brain. And he goes on to live a life that really uses his strengths. Daniel is a hyper polyglot, which is such a cool word. I’m just going to say it again. Hyper polyglot, which is somebody who can learn many, many languages.

And I’ve always had a very strong interest in languages as well. So I think I saw a personal connection there. That was quite interesting to me. Famously he learnt to speak Icelandic in like a week or something like that, which is known to be a very, very hard language. So that really piqued my interest.

I’ve always had this experience in my life of trying to do things differently and seeing myself as a little bit different and mostly in a positive way. But that’s also been paired with a lifetime of wanting to be accepted and wanting to fit in with other people thinking that that was the way to be accepted.

So throughout the parts of my life where I didn’t know my neuro identity or my Nero type. I skirted this blend of. I’m trying consciously and probably subconsciously as well to mirror the behaviors and the patterns and the actions of people around me, who I aspired to be more like.

Also knowing that there was something about me that was a little bit different. There’s something in there about parts of my personality, where I’ve always wanted to question the status quo.

Do something differently, but also without wanting to offend or upset or impact other people and still wanting people to like, and engage with me. So it’s been an, both a conscious and an unconscious process.

So you can hear elements of masking and mirroring and all kinds of things in there. While, still trying to understand my own identity throughout all different parts of my life.

And really the short answer to the question of.

The benefits and drawbacks of my diagnosis process is. It has overwhelmingly had benefits for me. In fact, maybe a hundred percent benefits. I actually can’t think of any drawbacks. This is my personal story.

Before I launch into my own benefits. I do want to highlight that there are many people who experience.

Difficulty even accessing a diagnosis. And that can be because it’s hard to navigate the system that gets you in to get an assessment. It could be hard to find professionals who believe you, who understand your experience.

And can understand less typical presentations of autism.

And ADHD.

And of course cost can be a huge barrier as well and waitlist and many, many other barriers too.

And having a diagnosis or seeking a diagnosis can also lead to other difficulties. Things like.

Medical and workplace discrimination.

When you have a diagnosis on record.

Immigration challenges when you have a diagnosis on record. Many. Immigration systems around the world. We’ll necessarily. Exclude anyone with a diagnosis.

Even recently, there was some questions coming up, whether an ADHD is actually legally allowed to drive in the state of Queensland in Australia. And it’s just really, really tricky.

And to some degree, I don’t know whether I will experience any institutional or structural challenges because of having a formal diagnosis. I have a privilege of being a white woman with an education and I have I’ll call it the privilege of being able to mask. And fit in and all these other things. That make me kind of look normal ish, normal enough throughout society. And that can help me, we’ll say, get away with. A lot of things that many other people, people of color.

People with intellectual disability. People with more overt traits may not. Experience such, I suppose, ease of existing as an identified, diagnosed Neurodivergent person. So there’s so many layers of complexity.

So , I’ve shared some of my earlier thoughts about myself and how I fit into the world. And some of the sparks that kind of made me get interested in autism.

And weirdly, I want to keep talking, but I have to tell you that I’ve been very distracted while I Googled a bone on a blue day to just double check.

I was telling you the right book title for Daniel Tenet’s book. I saw that there’s three different versions of the cover, and this is just autistic brain. Me. I can’t move on from the fact that two of them are really, really similar. And it’s got like an array of numbers in different blues above Daniel’s head. They’re really similar, but they’re different and I’m trying to move on from it.

Cause it. Unimportant for the topic of that podcast. But what I’m seeing is like, why did they make that number bigger? And why is that moved around? And why is there a 26 it’s changed size and color? And it’s really getting my brain stuck. So I just thought talking about it. I might be able to let that go.

There is a lot of significance to numbers in Daniel’s book. So I suspect that there’s some reasons why they changed the number sizes and colors on the front, or maybe it’s simply. Uh, graphic design choice. Okay. I’m going to break through that. And we going to move on.

So let’s fast forward. The year is 2008. And I am living in Denmark on exchange. I spent my last year of my undergrad arts degree in Denmark. So through that degree, I did mostly linguistics. That was my major. I did a lot of psychology. And if any of you have done an arts degree or know someone with an arts degree you’ll know that you kind of land at the other end of it and think, ah, cool.

Now what. What do I do with that? So I knew I had this big interest in helping kids. I wanted to save the world, change the world. I had these big lofty goals, but it was very, very fuzzy. I recognize that I love linguistics and language and psychology. And so I figured out one day a speech pathology, that is the pathway for me.

So I ended up doing master’s of speech pathology and it was, life-changing not only in a good way. There was some really intense changes in my brain. I was in a period of burnout pretty much throughout the whole degree. I did not have the language for it.

I did not have the insight or the understanding. So I just battled through and it sucked. But I also knew I was really dedicated to the field and very interested in it. So it felt like the hardness was worth it because it was what I wanted to do. So I managed, I got through.

I still had this idea in my head. I want to help kids and I want to help. Children with autism. Again, I would now say autistic children.

If there’s one period of my life that I wish I knew my autistic identity and my ADHD identity. I absolutely wish I knew it through that master’s degree. I think things would have been different because I would have better understood why things were so hard for me. I would have understood where I needed to pull back and take a break in life and allow myself the grace to actually maybe survive. A little bit better than I did.

I could have probably put more specific strategies in place. To help, probably mainly my ADHD brain, but also give myself a lot of rest that my autistic brain would have needed.

I may have even decided to go part-time or something like that, too. Allow myself the space to heal, recover, and. Still learn and progress through my degree.

I don’t know. I really wish I could have changed that. And I truly think that it actually shifted my brain and the stress that I experienced in that period. I feel like it triggered something in my brain that I haven’t quite been able to come down from ever since. 2010. So that’s interesting. And I’m feeling my heart rate go up and up and up as I’m talking about it.

So we’re going to move on from that period of life. It was really, really hard and knowing my neuro type. Absolutely. Would’ve made it a lot better.

Fast forward. I think to 2012, my years get a little bit wonky, but I think that’s where we are. And I had my first speech therapist job working at a community organization, Bankstown community resource group. Shout out to my lovely friend and first bus there. News rain.

It was. Absolutely wonderful. Not every single moment of every day of that job. Of course, the first job in a new Korea was really quite tricky and there’s a lot to learn and navigate. But we. At the organization had just the most interesting time learning about each other, learning about supporting the children, families, communities that we were working in. Ms. Raina and I couldn’t be more different.

And I think there were challenges in that, but we also, I think certainly I grew a lot through the experience of working with her and I think it went both ways. I definitely brought some autistic, uh, traits to the organization. Like. I needed a sense of order. So I pulled our waiting list into line and I rearranged our resources I made spreadsheets. I set up automations.

I really, I don’t know what isms the organization a bit. I hope it was a benefit. I think it was.

And I think it was just a blessing to be able to have a workplace and a manager who was just so open to letting me work in the way that worked for me and being open to working in different ways as a team. Going along with our strengths, we didn’t have a title for it. It didn’t know my Nero type. Then surely, you know, I was years off knowing that. But really she was the epitome of an affirming bus.

So what that meant is, you know, she understood who I was. She learned about who I was and the same for everyone on the team. As much as possible, we were able to work within our strengths. So that was awesome. Do more of that.

In most of that role. And in my next role at a disability organization, I worked with autistic kids as probably the bulk of my caseload. I did a lot of upskilling and training to build my skills, my confidence, and the certainly a lot of that training that we’ve been undoing in recent years, learning more about narrow diversity of having practice and how to shift away from trying to Make autistic kids more. Neuro-typical like,

But there were a lot of things that I learned and did early in my career that still are retained now. And I’m really, really grateful for. I loved working with autistic kids. I loved working with Neurodivergent kids. And all the other kids I worked with too, but it was the autistic kids that I primarily identified with. Without having any insight into why I might’ve understood them so, well, I guess I just thought it was a really good therapist so I could understand these kids, but actually what I didn’t realize was. I had a similar neuro type to them.

And therefore that’s why it was easier for me to connect and understand them. It’s kind of fascinating to me, how little insight I had into my own brain. Even through this process of working professionally with Neurodivergent kids.

It wasn’t until about eight years into my career where I actually started to think about myself. And part of this is because of the changing landscape in discussion around.

What autistic and ADHD is, can look like in women who are maybe professional, who maybe look like they’re doing. Normal life in a normal world.

But experiences of struggles, challenges internalized. Difficulties. That really matched with my own.

So at this point, I’m an adult I’ve been in my career. Almost 10 years.

I would have told you about myself using terms like anxious, uncoordinated, introverted, an introvert who could sometimes be sociable. I would have told you that I hated big noises. I would have told you I was a bit of a rebel. I would have told you that my brain liked coming up with new ideas, but I wasn’t as good at following through with them. I was easily distractable.

I would’ve told you. I loved. Rainbows and color. And putting things in color order. I would have told you that I loved learning languages and my brain’s a bit of a sponge for that. And understanding and decoding how people communicate with each other. Which is what led me to my career.

But all of that, I now have a new frame so keep all that in mind. Cause I’m going to tell you later how I’ve reframed all of that.

Since my identification and diagnosis process.

All right, let’s go in time to the yellow ladybugs online conference in 2022. I attended it fully online, which is a wonderful thing about that conference. And I am going to post a link in the show notes to the yellow lady bugs conference for 2024. They do one every year. It is absolutely brilliant. I cannot talk more highly of them and you’ll hear why it was a big part of my journey. And I know others.

I’ve actually spoken to friends who similarly were kind of triggered to look more deeply into their own neurodivergence because of this conference. I had the joy of speaking on a panel last year, 2023, and the same in 2024, which I feel incredibly honored to do it’s already recorded, which is I wonderfully near a divergent friendly way of managing conference presentations. So the live conference is coming up in June, but they have the recordings available after.

And really, if you are listening to my podcast, you should also be attending yellow ladybugs conference. It is. Phenomenal. Okay. Sorry. 2022. I watched three days of the conference.

And I was like glued to the screen. I don’t know that I’ve ever been that. Absorbed and single minded, like I’m sure I was doubled multitasking in certain ways, I was listening tuned in watching all the presentations. And what I was saying was a lot of professional Neurodivergent folk. Predominantly female, predominantly autistic ADHD is. Sharing their experiences from their lived experiences. How they connect with their clients?

The. Families that they support. How they go about their lives being a Neurodivergent person. And also having a professional career in this world Neurodivergent support.

And by the end of it. My whole world was flipped and I just thought, oh my gosh, I can see myself in these stories. Throughout those three days, I was like, oh, that’s me. That’s me. That’s me. That’s me. And by the end of the three days, I thought, okay, I’m going to get an assessment. It was like this three day light bulb and just sort of gently going on and on and on.

And by the end of it, I just, I kind of knew. I understood who I was, but because of a personality trait of mine, where I do seek external approval.

Which you’re welcome to give me in the form of a review and five stars. If that feels right for you on this podcast. I love and seek external validation for things that I think. I kind of wish I didn’t always have that, but that’s who I am here. I am. So. For me, it became incredibly important to get a formal diagnosis.

I talked earlier about some of the ways that I used to see myself before my diagnosis and identification.

As anxious, uncoordinated, introverted. Things like that. A bit, a bit of a mix of things that were positive and neutral and maybe negative as well.

So post-diagnosis once I had a better understanding of my neuro type, I understood. That I am an autistic ADHD. With dyspraxia, significant sensory sensitivities. I love having close relationships with special people over a long period of time. I prefer one on one interactions. And a lot of quiet time. I don’t accept the status quo easily.

I constantly seek novelty. I’ve got some special interests. And some of those have happily become my two businesses. I have a much more affirming way of understanding who I am and how I operate in the world. And. I wouldn’t change that for anything.

I think an experience many other people have, is kind of knowing your neuro type by having a big hunch and really believing, you know, who you are. But feeling like an imposter to claim that unless you seek a formal diagnosis. I want to highlight here. It is absolutely valid to self identify. I have never had a conversation with somebody who self identified.

With a certain amount of conviction. And then went on to find out they were not Neurodivergent that’s never happened in my experience.

I’m not saying it never happens in the whole world, but certainly every single person who has been questioning, then you’re a type in thinking they may be autistic. They may be ADHD in various other near divergences.

Very very often. It turns out that that is who you are. In a properly affirming Neurodivergent world. Everyone who is Neurodivergent welcomes in anyone else to that community to claim that identity for themselves. If that feels like that is you. You do not need to hold a piece of paper saying I’m autistic to be. Able to say.

I am part of this world. I experienced these experiences. This is me.

So for my own personal. Reasons I did feel that I wanted a formal diagnosis. I’m so, so grateful that the person who I chose to do my initial diagnosis, uh, it was a very affirming psychologist who did the most delightful fun. Interesting. Process with me. I loved it. I actually loved my assessments. Yes, it was long. And I don’t love doing all the checklists, especially like for an ADHD or to have to do a thousand ADHD.

Checklists. Is really kind of ironic and funny, but anyway, here we go. I got, got it done. Just in time, like the day before I had to hand them in.

So the pathway I did at that time was I spoke to my very wonderful JP who has now moved out of the state. And I’m very sad about, but I’m just Very lucky to have had the experience of a very affirming GP who understood near a diversity a lot.. I talked to her about looking for an autism assessment and she listened. She said, okay, tell me more. And I told her some of the traits and the things that have led me to think about that. And her response was. And have you thought about ADHD? And I’m just so grateful. It’s so obvious to me now that I wasn’t always have been an Audi HDR, meaning autistic ADHD, but.

For some reason, I feel like often I present in at least to myself. And sort of autism as my stronger feature, rather than ADHD is my stronger feature, which is why it became very apparent to me. To think about autism diagnosis first. Anyway, I’m super grateful that she flagged ADHD. So my assessment was with a psychologist. Over tele health and it was a combined autism and ADHD assessment. With a bunch of checklists. The two long interview type sessions. I did not feel that I was being grilled.

I felt like I was having a chat and going deep down into the depths of my minds and my experiences and unraveling things. And it was. Amazing. It was so fun and delightful and intriguing. Like I love thinking about my brain and learning about my brain and understanding my experiences in a new context.

So the whole process I found very delightful and I would just wish that for everyone. I truly wish that if you are seeking a formal diagnosis, that the person. Doing that process with you sees it as a. Useful part of your journey, not just a roadblock that has to have things ticked off. I hope that you are able to experience.

Some revelations and, deeper understanding of yourself. Now, there have been things that I’ve learned about myself and noticed about myself that have not felt so good, that I’ve felt really frustrated because you know, my view for how I thought things then compared to how they really are now. Has just shifted so completely. And that’s hard. There are hard parts of this journey, but overall, the big thing to me is. Self knowledge is everything.

And this was one of the biggest pieces of myself knowledge. Some of the benefits that I’ve found since then since August, 2022. I’ve been finding community. So kind of having a shortcut to go, okay, this is who I am. I am Neurodivergent. I am autistic. I am an ADHD. Yeah, finding community in other people who are similar to me has been. Incredible. Like amazing. I’ve, you know, he might be listening now.

Hello, if we are friends and a lot of these are friendships online through Instagram. You know, three professional collaborations. It’s just a wonderful journey and also a little side effect, which is not little, it’s huge, actually. People in my personal world who hear my story and are starting to understand.

The diversity of near diversity. Are also doing huge steps to look into themselves and their own brain and the near attack and their families and all kinds of things. So I know that other people are feeling a little bit more willing to share and a little bit more willing to understand.

Who they are. And to seek the support that they might need. And some of that has been directly through the work that I’ve put out in the world. And I’m, I feel very honored for that.

It’s a really cool side effect. So if I’ve had that effect on anyone. Wow. That’s cool. I feel like I’ve achieved that mission of changing the world. So cool. I’m done. I’m not done. I’m going to keep talking. For many minutes, had many years to come. I’m sure. So yeah, finding community, but like also just that self acceptance.

So understanding, and this is not a complete job. I’m still working through this, but. Understanding that my brain starts from a different baseline to those neuro-typical folks out there. Means. I am much more forgiving and accommodating and understanding of myself and the challenges that I may experience in my life.

And I’ve been able to craft. My life year by year, month by month, more and more to be in line with what suits my brain. And once I am happy at comma, more regulated, more supported, I can then do all the big ideas that my ADHD brain comes up with as well. Not all of them. Some of them.

I can be a more open human. I can be. A better mother, a better wife, a better friend. I can do all of those things. When everything else is in place.

I’m still working on it. I think we all will be for life. But it starts from that self knowledge and self acceptance. And. That’s been just the biggest part for me.

There’s probably a whole other episode in thinking about internalized ableism and how I’m experiencing it, how I have busted through it in certain ways, how I probably still have no idea how much I experienced internalized ableism. Which is essentially the sherds. They, oh, I shouldn’t need to put my headphones on because I should be okay to just cope with the noise in a shopping center.

That should, is that internalized belief that oh, I should be okay. I should be more normal. It should be fine. Judgment on ourselves on what we should be able to cope with. As soon as they should come up, that’s something to really question. And I teach others and I still have to work on it for myself. Is that, you know, busting through this. Should so actually the reframe would be. It’s completely fine for me to use the supports that I have for the things that are challenging.

So I know that it’s a little bit noisy for me in a shopping center and it makes me feel dysregulated.

I know that using my headphones helps me feel a lot more calm and regulated. It is completely fine for me to access that support. Now that’s an example that kind of fits really neatly with neuro normative standards as well. You know, half. The shopping center is walking around with headphones in their ears.

So that one’s a little bit easier to accept, but anyway, let’s do that in a different episode. If you have any specific questions about internalized ableism, let me know. And I might address that in a future episode.

One of the other biggest benefits that I’ve experienced is.

Being able to advocate for myself better through medical situations. . I’ve said previously on the podcast. When I was pregnant with my daughter who is now eight months old.

I had. A pretty complex pregnancy. And I had over 80 medical and allied health appointments across the pregnancy. I’ve worked with a lot of different professionals, a lot of different teams.

And I wanted to just highlight the parts where it went better. Was when the team members collaborated really beautifully with each other. And with me, for my support.

The few team members. That I either stopped seeing, or just had a really awful time with were those who were in their little silo of professionalism and. Felt that they knew the whole thing. Barely talk to me, didn’t connect with the other team members. Didn’t read the reports that other people were providing.

I have a couple of people in mind and I’m not going to name them of course, but it was really just an awful, awful unhelpful situation.

Sorry. I want to focus on the positive. What went well was when. My psychologist, my GP, my physio.

The diabetes team. The obstetrician when they did work really well with each other. They communicated with each other. They read each other’s notes.

They believed the reports that I gave them, whether I was saying something or sharing a note or a comment or a message. They believed what other people were telling them. All of that just. Took a weight off my shoulders.

If you’ve ever had to share your story or your child’s story with a medical professional.

You’ll know that it’s a burden, so it can be really hard to go back through the story, especially if you’ve done it before. And you’re saying, well, can’t you just read the report? It’s all in there. But somebody is asking you the same questions over and over. And in many cases, it’s very valid that they need to hear things themselves potentially.

But the best thing that anyone can do for a stressed out unwell, and you’re a divergent person.

Is to take any of that burden off them. So what I mean by that is. When I walked into an appointment.

With midwife and handed over a letter from my physio. And the midwife read it. And I didn’t have to repeat everything that my physio was learning and understood about me. And then we took that on and went, right? Yep. And now I understand the next step that we need to take. That just took such a weight off my shoulders.

I didn’t have to remember all the things for me to communicate. I didn’t have to go into another round of feeling dysregulated while sharing some really uncomfortable things. The communication worked well, but it kept me being at the center of it all.

So when I reflect on these experiences, This is what drives me to share things in my webinar that I’m doing next week. All about collaborative connections. These principles apply to anyone of any age, including not Neurodivergent folks as well, but. I think for Neurodivergent kids and adults, we can have these extra layers of challenge because of this potential dysregulation, because emotions can be hard because communication can be hard.

And because often, necessarily we are in many more of these appointments telling us stories many more times is just challenge upon challenge upon challenge.

So anything that professionals can do to take that burden off us. And to connect with each other, but keeping us at the center of it all. It’s so important. Please do that. Please come to my webinar and learn more about how you can do that as well. Like I said, the collaborative connections webinar is live next Monday. The 20th of May, but also the recording will be available into the future.

So whenever you’re listening, you’ll be able to head over and get that webinar. It’s such a passion of mine and a joy to be able to connect up these personal experiences with my professional, my. Communities experiences, link it all together and support you.

To better support the Neurodivergent kids in your world. And also, and I think what will happen with this episode? Support yourself. You know, many people listening, you may be questioning your own neuro type. I just want to bring back to those, you know, really key points. Self identification is valid, but it’s also valid.

If you do want to seek formal diagnosis and you feel ready. And you’re able to do that. It is so worthwhile trying to find somebody either with their own lived experience of being Neurodivergent. Or someone who is truly in your diversity offending.

Feel free to send me an email or an Instagram message with any takeaways or insights or anything that you’ve got on your mind after listening to this.

And if you yourself are neuro questioning, I wish you a joyful and positive mind bending process of discovery.

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